"Creationism is the belief that God could create the world in 6 days, but couldn't find 2 naked people hiding in a garden." - Anonymous
I think Lee that you may have missed the point of the question.
"Adam, where are you?" has a much deeper almost existential meaning. God was calling Adam to examine the state of his own heart, and the predicament that he had found himself in, as a result of his rejection of the boundaries that God had established for the creation.
08:01 PM on 7/18/2011
Wes, did this deity of yours select this creation out of an infinite possible creations knowing everything that would happen, before it made the creation?
Your answer will tell a lot about the basis for your theology.
My post was supposed to be funny. Maybe it failed.
01:25 AM on 7/19/2011
And you know this how?
If you had a conversation with god, then did others hear it?
Did he sound like George Burns?
If you had thoughts in your head, that's just your brain doing what it does, if you heard audible voices then, please seek help.
If your post was meant as a joke, then please forgive my response.
08:37 PM on 7/19/2011
Hi Brooke, I was doing my best to reflect on Lee's original post in the context of the Genesis narrative. We all start with a presupposition of some kind; mine is intelligent design, yours is likely some variant of materialism i.e. what we can observe is all there is. From my perspective the very fact that you can even have 'thoughts in your head' is testimony to an intelligent designer. We don't observe complex systems with amazing redundancy and inter-dependencies arising out of chaos anywhere in nature; detailed information is coded into every living cell.
I would imagine that you would interpret the same evidence in a very different way based on your own pre-supposition?
12:58 PM on 7/21/2011
No presupposition here.
I have a brain, the brain can be observed and scanned.
The activity in the brain can be correlated to my activities.
Same goes for your brain.
Where is the presupposition?
"We don't observe complex systems with amazing redundancy and inter-dependencies arising out of chaos anywhere in nature.."
Answer: Sure we do, its called life and its all over the place on earth!
04:52 AM on 7/23/2011
We both see the same evidence "it's called life and it's all over the place on earth"; but you have revealed the source of your presupposition in your answer. You are relying on observation and correlation of the physical evidence to explain what you are seeing. This presents no problem for me. My question to you is where can you observe non-living matter becoming living? You are relying on a presupposition that all this happened somewhere in the unobserved distant past. Observation in the present will verify that life is required in order to 'create' new life. There is no evidence even that a mutation results in any new information being added to our DNA e.g. like getting feathers instead of hair -- it is always a 'loss' or a corruption of existing information e.g. an extra or perhaps missing finger. So this won't help you either.
15 hours ago (10:23 AM)
Wes Dart....okay...I have loose evidence that abiogenisis happened....there is decent suppport for it. But I will grant you, there is no way to KNOW for sure...of course that applies to everything.
That does not however mean you get to just make stuff up! The appropriate response is "I Don't Know", not my magic sky daddy did it.
I could make up a story that fits the facts a whole lot better than your god!
Flying Spaghetti Monster is a much better answer!
11:03 PM on 7/19/2011
Actually his reading of the that verse isn't that abstract - I'm surprised your having trouble getting it. But then again purposely missing the point is a quick way feel like you're winning an argument. Well done.
0 minute ago (2:15 AM)
Hi Brooke, I guess the point I was making is that we both are taking a 'faith' position when it comes to the past. I am much happier taking the eyewitness accounts of people who were ultimately happy to lose everything, many even losing their lives, for the sake of remaining faithful to what they had seen, touched and experienced. That's why I could never consider a 'flying spaghetti monster' as a rational alternative to an omnipotent God. Wes
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I just entered the Virgin Money Childhood Dream Competition, hoping to win myself a trip to space!
Part of the competition was that you had to submit your childhood dream in 25 words or less.
I was going to make something up, but then I remembered that this really was my dream when I was in my early teens:
"To build a new community in a remote part of Australia using innovative construction techniques, technology and alternative energy as a model for the world."
Funny how life turns out sometimes. I wonder whether Richard Branson feels like he has achieved his dream?